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Robert Schlabbach
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"Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am not surprised to see that Sky3 is now broadcasting & there is
no entry in the MCE EPG. ITV4 starts tomorrow & again there is no
entry in the EPG. Digiguide has the data. It seems pretty likely
that BDS would have the data so why doesn't Microsoft have this data
ready to download to our EPGs?
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Bah, "Das Vierte" launched here in Germany over a month ago and is still
completely unknown to MCE - and I don't believe this will change anytime
soon. So I don't know what you UK guys are complaining about: At least you
_do_ get new stations added to your EPG at some point. Germans get nothing.
| Quote: | I'll log a problem on the web site but I have no confidence that
anybody pays any attention to these issues. Chris Hill of Microsoft
seems to have ducked for cover & hasn't posted here for a while.
I wonder why?
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Maybe he's just too busy trying to fix things for us... Remember, the USA
is far away and they don't seem to be having any EPG issues whatsoever. So
for the powers at Microsoft, our EPG issues may just be to "foreign" to
recognize as really severe issues which need to be fixed...
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David Lowndes
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:49 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Mine still says Sky Travel, though the programme is clearly Sky3 now.
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And even after a re-scan it's still showing as Sky Travel. There's no
sign of Sky 3 in the possible guide channel re-assignments.
| Quote: | ITV4 starts tomorrow & again there is no entry in the EPG.
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It only appeared for me after I deleted all the current channels
(though I had to choose Delete All twice before the current list
disappeared!) and re-scanned. A scan for new channels didn't find it.
I mention this because I think the same thing happened when More4 came
on the scene, but I wasn't sure. Can anyone else confirm whether ITV4
appeared for them by just doing a scan for new channels?
Of course there's no ITV4 guide data at all!
And once again, after having to get all the channels and guide data,
the following channels showed "No Data Available" until I re-assigned
them:
BBC ONE
BBC TWO
BBC THREE
ITV3
More 4
price-drop
ITV4 (still absent)
E4+1
Quiz Call
CBBC
BBC News 24
BBC World Service (radio)
The Hits Radio (how do you choose which to re-assign to when there are
2 "The Hits" showing?)
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Martin Kirk
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject:
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Well here is my current list of errors for the Sky platform. I am sure there
are more but these the channels I actually care about.
All duly reported via the EPG error submission form. I wish I thought that
made any difference.
Channel 108, SKY3, is missing and has no program listsings
Channel 107, SKY2, is still labelled SKYMIX
Channel 114, LIVING TV2, has no program listings
Channel 122, CHallenge+1, has no progran listings
Channel 128, Paramount Comedy+1, is missing and has no program listings
Channel 134, Discovery Real Time+1, is still labelled Home&Leisure+1
Channel 135, Discover Real Time Extra, has no program listings
Channel 165, more4, is missing and has no program listings
Channel 270, FX, appears on its old channel number, 289
Channel 271, FX+2, has no progran listings
And of course next week I will be able to add ITV4 as being missing from the
list as well!
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Chris Hill [MSFT]
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:
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Hi Nigel,
The issues that come through the website are reviewed and compared to
"known" issues, valid data and to see if there are enough details to
reproduce the issue. Very few of them contain this information. For
example here are the numbers from October 16th through October 22nd:
New reports: 63
Breakdown of bug numbers:
New bugs generated from reports: 4
Not an EPG issue: 3
Won't fix/By Design: 1
Duplicate reports: 1
Tech support request: 4
Not enough info, no cab/text file or no repro step reports: 50
In other words slightly more than 6% of the bug reports we received actualy
contain the information I need to get them fixed. That is why I have asked
a number of times that you include the following information in each issue
even though it should be generated by the bug report and then post it here
as a thread titled EPG: (Country).
Country:
TV Signal type:
Postal Code:
Headend Name:
Headend ID:
Detailed Description of the issue:
As for the new channels, that is something I'm working with the Program
Managers to get resolved. Its an uphill battle to get it changed but it
will happen mainly because of the feedback provided here in the newsgroup.
Chris Hill
Windows Media Data Quality
EPG/DVD/CD/Games/MSN
Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This address is for
newsgroup purposes only.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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| Quote: | From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.mediacenter
Subject: Re: EPG Error Submissions ignored by MS/Broadcasting Dataservices
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:26:43 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:
There are two more major launches of new TV channels in the UK next week
(Sky3 &
ITV4) on the Sky platform these are on channels 108 & 120 respectively.
Digiguide already has listings for Sky3 but as yet there is no sign of
these
channels in the MCE EPG.
Any bets on whether the More4 debacle will be repeated?
I am not surprised to see that Sky3 is now broadcasting & there is no
entry in
the MCE EPG. ITV4 starts tomorrow & again there is no entry in the EPG.
Digiguide has the data. It seems pretty likely that BDS would have the
data so
why doesn't Microsoft have this data ready to download to our EPGs?
I'll log a problem on the web site but I have no confidence that anybody
pays
any attention to these issues. Chris Hill of Microsoft seems to have
ducked for
cover & hasn't posted here for a while. I wonder why?
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Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
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David Lowndes
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Unless this mechanism
is broken, I assume that missing data is due to people cancelling the "Send
Report" dialog.
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Which is not surprising when it's the same UI that people see when an
application crashes!
| Quote: | The process
used is sufficiently unlike most other error reporting processes (where
everything is self-contained on the web page) thai I imagine a significant
number of people are confused.
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I agree.
| Quote: | I would have thought that a 94% failure rate would lead to a thorough review
of the reporting mechanism, rather than dismissing it as user error!
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Indeed.
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David Lowndes
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| Quote: | As for the new channels, that is something I'm working with the Program
Managers to get resolved. Its an uphill battle to get it changed
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Chris,
Why is it an uphill battle to get something changed? Adding new and
removing old channels data must have been anticipated (they've not
been kept secret), so why isn't it happening automatically at the
right time? Whatever are the problems you're facing?
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kalev-
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:
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Robert Schlabbach wrote:
| Quote: | At least you
_do_ get new stations added to your EPG at some point. Germans get nothing.
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No-no you *can't* complain, either ! :-)
Up here in Sweden we hadn't even seen the day of light in
terms of EPG data until last month.
I'm not even going to bother with how many channels have
zero data and how many are completely missing. So there...
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Tiny Tim
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:
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Chris,
With so many faulty reports apparently being submitted, is there
nothing that can be done to improve front end validation and/or
automate the collation of technical data by the reporting tool without
user input? e.g. surely data like Head End ID and Post Code should be
obtainable automatically.
If there really is nothing that can be done to improve data quality
then I wonder if any steps are taken to return the report to the
originator to seek clarification. It would be nice if one could see
the status of one's own report(s) to at least appreciate whether they
are being actioned or rejected etc..
It appears from what you are saying that the end user experience of
this process is that 94% of all error reports disappear into a black
hole, never to emerge. Is it any wonder that people are disillusioned
with this process, especially when perfectly valid reports for the
most simple of problems is met with "it can't be fixed because of
legel difficulties".
Can you please explain why many of the Sky +1 channels have now been
added to the guide but still have no data? What is illegal about
adding an hour to the start and end times of each programme and
publishing that schedule?
Can you explain why incorrect channel numbers still exist in the
guide, despite having been reported weeks ago, and despite the
channels also being listed with their correct channel numbers?
Something here still does not add up.
Regards,
Tim.
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:34:51 GMT, a-chill@microsoft.com ("Chris Hill
[MSFT]") wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Nigel,
The issues that come through the website are reviewed and compared to
"known" issues, valid data and to see if there are enough details to
reproduce the issue. Very few of them contain this information. For
example here are the numbers from October 16th through October 22nd:
New reports: 63
Breakdown of bug numbers:
New bugs generated from reports: 4
Not an EPG issue: 3
Won't fix/By Design: 1
Duplicate reports: 1
Tech support request: 4
Not enough info, no cab/text file or no repro step reports: 50
In other words slightly more than 6% of the bug reports we received actualy
contain the information I need to get them fixed. That is why I have asked
a number of times that you include the following information in each issue
even though it should be generated by the bug report and then post it here
as a thread titled EPG: (Country).
Country:
TV Signal type:
Postal Code:
Headend Name:
Headend ID:
Detailed Description of the issue:
As for the new channels, that is something I'm working with the Program
Managers to get resolved. Its an uphill battle to get it changed but it
will happen mainly because of the feedback provided here in the newsgroup.
Chris Hill
Windows Media Data Quality
EPG/DVD/CD/Games/MSN
Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This address is for
newsgroup purposes only.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.mediacenter
Subject: Re: EPG Error Submissions ignored by MS/Broadcasting Dataservices
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:26:43 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:
There are two more major launches of new TV channels in the UK next week
(Sky3 &
ITV4) on the Sky platform these are on channels 108 & 120 respectively.
Digiguide already has listings for Sky3 but as yet there is no sign of
these
channels in the MCE EPG.
Any bets on whether the More4 debacle will be repeated?
I am not surprised to see that Sky3 is now broadcasting & there is no
entry in
the MCE EPG. ITV4 starts tomorrow & again there is no entry in the EPG.
Digiguide has the data. It seems pretty likely that BDS would have the
data so
why doesn't Microsoft have this data ready to download to our EPGs?
I'll log a problem on the web site but I have no confidence that anybody
pays
any attention to these issues. Chris Hill of Microsoft seems to have
ducked for
cover & hasn't posted here for a while. I wonder why?
--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
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Martin Kirk
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There is one correction to my earlier message. more4 is now there, with
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Martin Kirk
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""Chris Hill [MSFT]"" wrote:
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As for the new channels, that is something I'm working with the Program
Managers to get resolved. Its an uphill battle to get it changed but it
will happen mainly because of the feedback provided here in the newsgroup.
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I don't suppose you would care to provide contact information for the
blocking offenders. :) It hardly seems fair for you to have to bear the full
weight of opprobrium of the user community!! I fail to see why they should be
making it an uphill battle. Have they no conception of the service they are
supposed to be providing? Do they actually use MCE? If they did, I am sure
they would be as frustrated as the rest of us!!
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Martin Kirk
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| Quote: | New reports: 63
Breakdown of bug numbers:
New bugs generated from reports: 4
Not an EPG issue: 3
Won't fix/By Design: 1
Duplicate reports: 1
Tech support request: 4
Not enough info, no cab/text file or no repro step reports: 50
In other words slightly more than 6% of the bug reports we received actualy
contain the information I need to get them fixed. That is why I have asked
a number of times that you include the following information in each issue
even though it should be generated by the bug report and then post it here
as a thread titled EPG: (Country).
Country:
TV Signal type:
Postal Code:
Headend Name:
Headend ID:
Detailed Description of the issue:
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Since I am sure that everyone that files a report fills in the fields
provided, surely any problem with missing data must lie with the data
generation/collection mechanism. I assume that it is in order to get this
information that the Error Reporting mechanism is used. Unless this mechanism
is broken, I assume that missing data is due to people cancelling the "Send
Report" dialog. perhaps it should ne made clearer in the web page that you
HAVE to send this report in order for the process to be complete. The process
used is sufficiently unlike most other error reporting processes (where
everything is self-contained on the web page) thai I imagine a significant
number of people are confused.
I would have thought that a 94% failure rate would lead to a thorough review
of the reporting mechanism, rather than dismissing it as user error!
Anyway, here is my report with such information as I can get from my MCE
installation:
(There is no Headend information in the Guide About page. I assume it is not
applicable for the Sky platform as there is effectively only one transmitter
for the whole country, which should make it easy to get right.)
Country: UK
TV Signal type: Digital Satellite
Postal Code: IV2 4NP
Headend Name: ?????
Headend ID: ?????
Detailed Description of the issue:
Channel 108, SKY3, is missing and has no program listsings
Channel 107, SKY2, is still labelled SKYMIX
Channel 114, LIVING TV2, has no program listings
Channel 122, CHallenge+1, has no progran listings
Channel 128, Paramount Comedy+1, is missing and has no program listings
Channel 134, Discovery Real Time+1, is still labelled Home&Leisure+1
Channel 135, Discover Real Time Extra, has no program listings
Channel 270, FX, appears on its old channel number, 289
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Nigel Barker
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:34:51 GMT, a-chill@microsoft.com ("Chris Hill [MSFT]")
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Is that 63 new reports for the UK or for the whole world?
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:40:03 -0800, "Martin Kirk"
<MartinKirk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
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Country: UK
TV Signal type: Digital Satellite
Postal Code: IV2 4NP
Headend Name: ?????
Headend ID: ?????
Detailed Description of the issue:
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This is my entry for Sky Digital from my Set Top Box. It's both in Guide->About
& in more or less the same detail in the Event Viewer->Application (oddly not in
Media Center Event Log. In the Event Log it says Headend Name & Headend ID.
Sky Digital BBC East(W)/ITV London/Anglia
ID 210059
TV signal Set-top box
What happened during guide setup? After you enter your post code it downloads a
suggested list of suppliers for a satellite STB. Freesat plus whatever Sky
package with the correct BBC & ITV region(s) are applicable to that post code.
In my case a Chelmsford post code correctly equates to Sky Digital BBC
East(W)/ITV London/Anglia.
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Nigel Barker
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:25:06 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:34:51 GMT, a-chill@microsoft.com ("Chris Hill [MSFT]")
wrote:
New reports: 63
Is that 63 new reports for the UK or for the whole world?
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Another thought. Does the reporting tool depend on it being run on the MCE
machine with the problem? On reflection I'm guessing that it does so when I have
entered EPG problems from my laptop this would explain why they disappear into a
black hole. In fact I've just checked on the web page & see that:-
"When you submit a form, Windows error reporting gathers information about the
current EPG configuration from your Media Center PC and sends this information
with your completed issue submission form to Microsoft."
This might well explain why barely 6% of those 63 reports contain the
information required. Surely with this sort of failure rate you should be
looking at the information gathering tool that is clearly all but useless.
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"Nigel Barker" wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:40:03 -0800, "Martin Kirk"
MartinKirk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
Country: UK
TV Signal type: Digital Satellite
Postal Code: IV2 4NP
Headend Name: ?????
Headend ID: ?????
Detailed Description of the issue:
This is my entry for Sky Digital from my Set Top Box. It's both in Guide->About
& in more or less the same detail in the Event Viewer->Application (oddly not in
Media Center Event Log. In the Event Log it says Headend Name & Headend ID.
Sky Digital BBC East(W)/ITV London/Anglia
ID 210059
TV signal Set-top box
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My Guide->About page gives:
ID: 5
Version: 2599502302
Sky Digital BBC Scot/ITV Grampiam
ID: 210001
TV Signal: Set-top box
Schema Version: 5
I don't see anything in the Event Logs (any section) about Headends. I do
get the following:
Event Info: Failure attempting to download new Guide data. Please check your
Internet connection settings. If you are connecting through a firewall or
proxy, please verify that it has been properly configured.
Process: DefaultDomain
Object Name: Microsoft.Ehome.Epg.Ehepgdat
What makes this strange is thatI don't run out of guide data, so it clearly
isn't actually failing. If I start a manual downloa it goes painfully slowly
(a few % per hour), and the system crashes anyway before it finshes :).
| Quote: | What happened during guide setup? After you enter your post code it downloads a
suggested list of suppliers for a satellite STB. Freesat plus whatever Sky
package with the correct BBC & ITV region(s) are applicable to that post code.
In my case a Chelmsford post code correctly equates to Sky Digital BBC
East(W)/ITV London/Anglia.
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Guide Setup works just fine. Get all the right stuff.
Martin
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