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Steve N.
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Mon May 16, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject:
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kurttrail wrote:
| Quote: | Mark wrote:
You have to contact M$ to get the hotfix, so it may be free, but not
hassle-free.
And if you have an OEM copy of XP they will pawn you off on the OEM that
supplied you withXP to get the Hotfix, and calling them up, they'll send
you back to MS.
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I've never had a problem getting a hotfix from MS for an OEM OS but I
haven't done it in quite a while. Are you speaking from experience?
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BBUNNY
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Tue May 17, 2005 12:26 am Post subject:
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You top post, you post using HTML and your message body is just one
looong line.....The _biggie_ is defending this behavior....
Mark wrote:
| Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you to
| highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you
| can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.
| "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
| message news:elhnnrUWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
| >> Mark was basically saying he top posts because OE makes it
| easier to
| >> top post.
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| > It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added
| > function to at least give the end-user an option to decide which
| it
| > does. That's one thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can
| > quickly change the default position depending on what group I'm
| in.
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| It is just an excuse. Basically saying the devil makes him do it. |
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Mark
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
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How I see it, Microsoft is so dominate, might as well just stay with a standard of programs -- Microsoft's.
"NoStop" <nostop@stopspam.com> wrote in message news:5QOhe.1362143$6l.6969@pd7tw2no...
Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | OE is really a crappy Usenet client, there are many free clients that do
a much better (and more secure) job and don't have any of the issues
that OE does. Look at SuperGravity, it's free, so is PAN and many
others. If you spend any time on Usenet it will be well worth the
install time.
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As I've said before - M$ users are forced to march to a different drum beat
- one created and orchestrated by M$ and one that purposely breaks the
standards. It is only by breaking standards that M$ can keep its users
locked into the M$ marketing machine and keep users dependent and paying
for M$ next "solution" or "innovation".
http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_3.html
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A. Yes it is. It's called "Top Posting" and frowned on by the Usenet
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Q. But isn't that backasswards?
A. If their reply comes BEFORE what they are quoting, they probably use
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Q. How can I tell what OS a Usenet poster runs? |
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Mark
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
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Whenever there is a Windows or program problems, its always related to another process or program error/problem or something unexplainable.
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message news:uYYmzeYWFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Mark wrote:
| Quote: | Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a
long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and
bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply
top posted and it is now a normal conformity.
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That is worse than an excuse, you top post out of conformity!
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I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I
did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.
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Never saw it crash OE. You probably had other problems.
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Mark
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
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I just use the OE default settings.
"BBUNNY" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message news:%23bsIMEnWFHA.4036@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You top post, you post using HTML and your message body is just one
looong line.....The _biggie_ is defending this behavior....
Mark wrote:
| Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you to
| highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you
| can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.
| "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
| message news:elhnnrUWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
| >> Mark was basically saying he top posts because OE makes it
| easier to
| >> top post.
| >
| > It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an added
| > function to at least give the end-user an option to decide which
| it
| > does. That's one thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I can
| > quickly change the default position depending on what group I'm
| in.
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| It is just an excuse. Basically saying the devil makes him do it. |
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kurttrail
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
Re: MS05-019 security update concern |
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Mark wrote:
| Quote: | Whenever there is a Windows or program problems, its always related
to another process or program error/problem or something
unexplainable.
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LOL! No such thing as a Windows problem? I wonder why MS keep patching
something that never has a problem?
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kurttrail
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
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Mark wrote:
| Quote: | I just use the OE default settings.
"BBUNNY" <bbunny@bqik.net> wrote in message
news:%23bsIMEnWFHA.4036@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
You top post, you post using HTML and your message body is just one
looong line.....The _biggie_ is defending this behavior....
Mark wrote:
| Not an excuse, it just works better that way. If OE allowed you
to
| highlight the portion of the e-mail you wanted to quote, which you
| can do in ancient Forte, Inc. Agent, that would help.
| "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
| message news:elhnnrUWFHA.628@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| Rick "Nutcase" Rogers wrote:
| >> Mark was basically saying he top posts because OE makes it
| easier to
| >> top post.
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| > It does do that, and I know of many who have asked for an
added
| > function to at least give the end-user an option to decide
which
| it
| > does. That's one thing I like about my Linux newsreader, as I
can
| > quickly change the default position depending on what group
I'm
| in.
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| It is just an excuse. Basically saying the devil makes him do
it.
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No you don't.
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Leythos
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
Re: MS05-019 security update concern |
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In article <OxzXBCzWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, xpmark@hotmail.com
says...
| Quote: | As I've said before - M$ users are forced to march to a different drum beat
- one created and orchestrated by M$ and one that purposely breaks the
standards. It is only by breaking standards that M$ can keep its users
locked into the M$ marketing machine and keep users dependent and paying
for M$ next "solution" or "innovation".
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No MS users are forced to use anything from MS, it's a choice. As an
example, you can use Open Office or Star Office, you can use Nero to
burn CD/DVD/VCD's, you can use other media players, you can use
Photoshop and page maker......
You are only limited to MS Products out of ignorance.
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NoStop
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
Re: MS05-019 security update concern |
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Leythos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <OxzXBCzWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, xpmark@hotmail.com
says...
As I've said before - M$ users are forced to march to a different drum
beat - one created and orchestrated by M$ and one that purposely breaks
the standards. It is only by breaking standards that M$ can keep its
users locked into the M$ marketing machine and keep users dependent and
paying for M$ next "solution" or "innovation".
No MS users are forced to use anything from MS, it's a choice. As an
example, you can use Open Office or Star Office, you can use Nero to
burn CD/DVD/VCD's, you can use other media players, you can use
Photoshop and page maker......
You are only limited to MS Products out of ignorance.
Tell that to a company that does business with other companies all using |
MickeyMouse's Word that creates proprietary DOC files that aren't rendered
properly by alternative products. In fact, to keep people buying their
office suite, they'll even make it so their files can't be read properly by
earlier versions of their suite. The only way to break the M$ monopoly is
to adopt another OS, not by purchasing 3rd party tools that work better
than the crap M$ sells.
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Leythos
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:26 am Post subject:
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In article <lbvie.1394026$8l.399690@pd7tw1no>, nostop@stopspam.com
says...
| Quote: | Leythos wrote:
In article <OxzXBCzWFHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, xpmark@hotmail.com
says...
As I've said before - M$ users are forced to march to a different drum
beat - one created and orchestrated by M$ and one that purposely breaks
the standards. It is only by breaking standards that M$ can keep its
users locked into the M$ marketing machine and keep users dependent and
paying for M$ next "solution" or "innovation".
No MS users are forced to use anything from MS, it's a choice. As an
example, you can use Open Office or Star Office, you can use Nero to
burn CD/DVD/VCD's, you can use other media players, you can use
Photoshop and page maker......
You are only limited to MS Products out of ignorance.
Tell that to a company that does business with other companies all using
MickeyMouse's Word that creates proprietary DOC files that aren't rendered
properly by alternative products. In fact, to keep people buying their
office suite, they'll even make it so their files can't be read properly by
earlier versions of their suite. The only way to break the M$ monopoly is
to adopt another OS, not by purchasing 3rd party tools that work better
than the crap M$ sells.
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You don't know much. I design solutions around MS Networks and Fedora
Core 3 and all sorts of other vendors products. I don't see any issues
with choice or people that decided to use a different path for
foundations in business. You might do better if you enlarged your frame
of reference and scope.
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Mark
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:26 am Post subject:
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OE works fine for me.
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.1cf16a3493cf9c8798976e@news-server.columbus.rr.com...
In article <uOurz9XWFHA.2960@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, xpmark@hotmail.com
says...
| Quote: | Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply top posted and it is now a normal conformity.
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And your OE does not properly post lines so that real newsreaders can
handle them. Top posting has ALWAYS been a problem. Since MS entered
Usenet with crappy tools and then Windows users hit the masses with
Intenret access we've had to deal with top posting people that still
have no clue or respect for the proper methods.
| Quote: | I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.
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OE is really a crappy Usenet client, there are many free clients that do
a much better (and more secure) job and don't have any of the issues
that OE does. Look at SuperGravity, it's free, so is PAN and many
others. If you spend any time on Usenet it will be well worth the
install time.
I'm not picking on you in this post, it's not intended as that, but it
is annoying that MS didn't create a proper Usenet client following the
standards when they started noticing the internet.
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Kevin Brunt (Fat B@stard)
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Thu May 19, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject:
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What I gather from Leythos' messages is that he uses Linux and other non-microsoft products but he still keeps posting to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup! and drives everybody mad. Did somebody say immitation is the best form of flattery? I am quite sure Uncle Bill would like to have his custom so that he (i.e. Leythos) can criticise M$ with authority, conviction and above all current personal experience!! He is free to remain in the sideline and shout the grapes are sour!
I use Mozilla because it can create ascii file for messages to be edited manually otherwise I would recommend my college to enable IE6 and outlook express on all PCs!
Fat Kevin
Leythos wrote:
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In article <uOurz9XWFHA.2960@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, xpmark@hotmail.com
says...
Top posted message are easier to read with no scrolling unless its a long message that requires scrolling. I used to in-context and bottom post messages, but many others that I communicated with simply top posted and it is now a normal conformity.
And your OE does not properly post lines so that real newsreaders can
handle them. Top posting has ALWAYS been a problem. Since MS entered
Usenet with crappy tools and then Windows users hit the masses with
Intenret access we've had to deal with top posting people that still
have no clue or respect for the proper methods.
I tried OE Quotefix some time ago, probably over a year ago, and I did not care much for it from crashing OE6 quite a bit.
OE is really a crappy Usenet client, there are many free clients that do
a much better (and more secure) job and don't have any of the issues
that OE does. Look at SuperGravity, it's free, so is PAN and many
others. If you spend any time on Usenet it will be well worth the
install time.
I'm not picking on you in this post, it's not intended as that, but it
is annoying that MS didn't create a proper Usenet client following the
standards when they started noticing the internet.
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Leythos
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Fri May 20, 2005 12:26 am Post subject:
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In article <7371CF1E.F9B84371@ccs.bbk.ac.uk>, k.brunt@ccs.bbk.ac.uk
says...
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What I gather from Leythos' messages is that he uses Linux and other non-microsoft products but he still keeps posting to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general newsgroup! and drives everybody mad. Did somebody say immitation is the best form of flattery? I am quite sure Uncle Bill would like to have his custom so that he (i.e. Leythos) can criticise M$ with authority, conviction and above all current personal experience!! He is free to remain in the sideline and shout
the grapes are sour! |
I don't think you know enough about me - I have a company that is a MS
partner, have built millions in MS Solutions in the last 18 months, and
I'm not blind to other solutions/paths.
My only complaint is, with Outlook Express, is that it's not a proper
email client and leads ignorant users to post incorrectly in what was/is
an already established community. On top of that, there are people, that
when informed of their mistake, still choose to post incorrectly.
| Quote: | I use Mozilla because it can create ascii file for messages to be edited manually otherwise I would recommend my college to enable IE6 and outlook express on all PCs!
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I use the best products for the task at hand. I have no preference to
any OS or platform/application/vendor.
Oh, one other thing, I happen to own more than a dozen licensed MS
Servers, Exchange servers, and dozens of fully licensed Windows based
workstations. I also happen to own 50 licenses for MS Office 2003 SBE,
and even 2 CPU licenses for MS SQL, so I'm hardly a non-MS type
guy/business owner.
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