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Thu May 05, 2005 7:28 am Post subject:
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I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are more flaws
then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else either if you have
a dell and windows os running or not seem to see the same pattern?
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
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Probably no more or less than any other computer manufacturer.
You state you have been to dell forums, have you also looked in forums
representing the other manufacturers to get a balanced view?
My Dell works fine with SP-2.
Most problems are reduced or eliminated with a well maintained computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
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"iempire" <david1983@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are more
flaws
then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else either if you
have
a dell and windows os running or not seem to see the same pattern?
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:24 am Post subject:
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I said I noticed the pattern between windows os's on dell computers having
alot of flaws, and no I havent looked into every other computer manuf.'s
forums that'd be a big waste of time, I was simply stating a broad statment
and I guess you over looked the simplicity of the statement.
-dave
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
| Quote: | Probably no more or less than any other computer manufacturer.
You state you have been to dell forums, have you also looked in forums
representing the other manufacturers to get a balanced view?
My Dell works fine with SP-2.
Most problems are reduced or eliminated with a well maintained computer:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
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In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org
"iempire" <david1983@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are more
flaws
then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else either if you
have
a dell and windows os running or not seem to see the same pattern?
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:
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It seems obvious to me you just got here for the first time.
Lurk a while and you will eventually see how ridiculous this post of yours
really is.
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| Quote: | ahh, I love it. All these windows supporters flocking together, its such a
lovely sight. I FEEL THE LOVE IN HERE :-D you guys are to much, you act as
if
I was attacking you personally and not this big corperation that doesnt
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iempire wrote:
| Quote: | ahh, I love it. All these windows supporters flocking together, its
such a lovely sight. I FEEL THE LOVE IN HERE :-D you guys are to
much, you act as if I was attacking you personally and not this big
corperation that doesnt really give a flying f%ck what I have to say
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Being a Windows/Microsoft supporter has nothing to do with it. Jupiter
and I hardly ever see eye to eye on anything.
I have a website that dedicated to the purpose of ridiculing Microsoft,
and its sycophantic supporters.
I haven't tried to defend Windows, Microsoft, or Dell. I've just been
pointing out that your logic is totally flawed, and you are full of
sh*t.
I suggest that you take your head out of the plastic garbage bag, as it
is readily apparent that you are not getting enough oxygen to your
brain.
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t.cruise
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| Quote: | "=?Utf-8?B?aWVtcGlyZQ==?=" <david1983@verizon.net> writes:
I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are
more flaws then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else
either if you have a dell and windows os running or not seem to see
the same pattern?
As an experiment I put a new Dell 2400/XP Home on a user's desk.
The mantra I keep reciting to all of them is:
IIW..DFWI! (If It Works Don't F&#k With It!)
That means downloading and installing all sorts of new great stuff,
new applications, adding goo-gaws, changing ANYTHING, IIW...DFWI!
She has the absolute minimum number of things installed to be able
to get work done. I consider it only unfortunate that it wasn't
possible to have Dell NOT install all the "free extra" software.
But am I going to UnInstall it? DFWI!
Been 16 months with no failures, stuns me. So, DFWI!
I was told that one application that is essential to get work done
wasn't compatible with SP2, even six months after SP2 was released.
Finally they forced an update on us, not a word about whether this
fixed SP2 compatibility problems or not, and they aren't talking.
Am I going to throw SP2 at this now and hope? Tough choice. IIWDFWI.
Maybe the firewall and anti virus software will be good enough for
a while.
The stupidest thing I've read in a while was in the national
newspapers this morning, apparently Microsoft thinks that their
real problem is people believe that XP is good enough, so good
that there aren't millions of people begging to go through the
upgrade process to the next new version of Windows.
wow...
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I uninstalled almost all of the unnecessary Dell software, and applets. The Dell Alerts
were irritating, and something I really wanted gone. All of the uninstalls were painless,
and did not cause any problems. As for SP2, my personal choice was to pass on it. I
already have a good firewall, a good antivirus utility, a BHO remover, a pop up stopper,
an Ad killer, hijack utility, and spyware/malware/Trojan utility. Though many have had no
problems with the SP2 update, I don't feel that the risk vs.. benefit warrants installing
it. I will use SP2 when it comes preinstalled on my next system. I believe that the
increase of spyware/malware/bad BHOs/trojans, and other Windows XP security issues forced
Microsoft to educate people, who really were not interested in learning the mechanics of
those things, or about firewalls and other safe internet practices. Web surfing used to
be fun, but is now a dangerous obstacle course that can trash your system if you don't
know what you are doing. Having to develop SP2 to address certain security issues, has
pushed back the release of Longhorn (next version of the Windows OS). Even when it is
released, I suspect that many will not rush out to purchase Longhorn retail, but will wait
until they purchase a system where an OEM version is preinstalled. From all that I've
read about Longhorn, and its heavily graphics dependent GUI, I see the same scenario as
with the release of Windows XP. There was a great deal of animosity towards Microsoft
when many systems had to have expensive hardware upgrades in order to upgrade to Windows
XP, and when many peripheral manufacturers didn't write Windows XP drivers, relegating
scanners, printers, etc., to orphan hardware/paperweights. Aside from OEM preinstalled
versions, Windows XP sales were far below projections for the first year and a half of its
release. I predict that after its release the majority of Longhorn users will be those
who purchase new systems where it is preinstalled, and IT people who have to keep up with
new technology. The average PC user, having been burned once, with the release of Windows
XP, will hold off on having to purchase the OS, more memory, a new display adapter, and
having to eat the cost of orphan peripherals. For me it's analogous to Microsoft Office.
Microsoft finally got rid of most of the bugs and problems with the release of Office
2000. Then came the release the major upgrade/new version Office XP. The average user
didn't use all of the functions of Office 2000, which by the time of the release of Office
XP, Microsoft had finally gotten right. With the exception of a few features that some
professionals might need there was and is no reason to upgrade to Office XP, or Office
2003, from Office 2000. I think that the days where people are going to wait in line at
midnight to purchase the latest version of Windows are gone.
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly. I never inferred that Windows XP is perfect. I
never wrote how I feel about Microsoft. That said, with its flaws, more people have never
been more productive using their PCs, easily doing things with the more stable Windows XP
OS user friendly interface, than with any previous OS. Complain about bugs and security
issues, but 10 years ago nobody could imagine that they would be burning DVDs with their
PCs, making music CDs, printing/scanning/copying/Faxing economically, doing digital
photography and image editing, all with just a couple of mouse clicks and scant computer
knowledge. As far as the security updates, if you have a decent firewall and a good
antivirus utility, keep them updated and know how to use them, the security updates are a
moot point. Nothing is perfect. The Windows XP OS is the best incarnation of the Windows
OS. It is more stable, and more easily repaired than previous versions of the Windows OS.
During the past two years, I have not had any problem that has warranted my having to
format and reinstall. The same was not the case with previous versions of the Windows OS.
If you want to waste time personally attacking people who find that the Windows XP OS, is
the best version of Windows to date, you might think of putting your time and effort to
better use. By the wording of your posts, you seem to have a problem with Microsoft in
general. Maybe you might not be consciously aware of it, but reading between the lines of
your posts, you DO personally mock people who like myself, think that the many virtues of
the Windows XP OS outweigh some of the short comings it might have. Whatever the problems
are, I would tend to believe that they more to do with you, than with Windows XP, or
Microsoft, or Dell. Maybe I am wasting my time writing this. Maybe you ARE just a
troller...
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| Quote: | ahh, I love it. All these windows supporters flocking together, its such a
lovely sight. I FEEL THE LOVE IN HERE :-D you guys are to much, you act as if
I was attacking you personally and not this big corperation that doesnt
really give a flying f%ck what I have to say
"iempire" wrote:
so explain to me what all these vulnerbility updates are for , because I
didnt fix them before installing the os? And what if someone was to get a
spyware type problem from activex flaws is that there fault?
"t.cruise" wrote:
Most of my clients have Dell systems, and I have had two, with different flavors of
Windows XP. I haven't had any problems that I can attribute to the fact that the
systems
are Dell (aside from the clock problem when Windows XP was first released, which
Dell
posted a fix for at the Dell web site). I would assume that many of the posts you
have
read are from PC users who have caused their own problems. I had a client who was
ready
to throw his Dell out of the window. "This damn machine has given me nothing but
problems!" Yes, because his internet practices weren't safe, and he picked up
trojans/spyware/malware/hijackers, etc.. That's not Dell's fault. Now, if you want
to
talk HP, I would never recommend that company for PCs(System Recovery CD problems
abound,
and that's just the tip of the iceberg). HP PCs are to this decade are what Packard
Bell
systems were to the 1990's. I am not saying that Dell is the best PC one can
purchase.
But, for the price, when there are online specials, with rebates and freebies, Dell
is an
economical solution for a loaded system with a decent warranty. Remember Dell
probably
sells more PCs than any other company, and you are only seeing the posts from people
who
have problems. The full stats would probably reflect that Dell systems are probably
more
dependable than most others in the same price range. And, Dell includes, even with
its
low end systems, a REAL Windows XP CD (albeit OEM), rather than System Recovery CDs.
It's
a good practice not to take everything you read in forums and news groups as fact.
In
this group alone there have been incalculable "Windows XP sucks" posts. Many of
those
posts were written by people who caused their own problems and are looking for
someone to
blame, or by computer illiterate people who tried to fix problems themselves and
trashed
their systems, or by people using incompatible software/hardware Windows XP is not
perfect, but it sure is more stable, and more easily repairable than previous
versions of
Windows. Short answer: Dell and Windows XP are not "lethal combination."
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"iempire" <david1983@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are more flaws
then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else either if you have
a dell and windows os running or not seem to see the same pattern?
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| Quote: | so explain to me what all these vulnerbility updates are for ,
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To patch the flaws in the OS. EVERY OS HAS TO BE PATCHED!
| Quote: | because I didnt fix them before installing the os?
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What do you mean?
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someone was to get a spyware type problem from activex flaws is that
there fault?
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YES! They have to allow the active x spyware component to run on their
computer.
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ahh, I love it. All these windows supporters flocking together, its such a
lovely sight. I FEEL THE LOVE IN HERE :-D you guys are to much, you act as if
I was attacking you personally and not this big corperation that doesnt
really give a flying f%ck what I have to say
"iempire" wrote:
| Quote: | so explain to me what all these vulnerbility updates are for , because I
didnt fix them before installing the os? And what if someone was to get a
spyware type problem from activex flaws is that there fault?
"t.cruise" wrote:
Most of my clients have Dell systems, and I have had two, with different flavors of
Windows XP. I haven't had any problems that I can attribute to the fact that the systems
are Dell (aside from the clock problem when Windows XP was first released, which Dell
posted a fix for at the Dell web site). I would assume that many of the posts you have
read are from PC users who have caused their own problems. I had a client who was ready
to throw his Dell out of the window. "This damn machine has given me nothing but
problems!" Yes, because his internet practices weren't safe, and he picked up
trojans/spyware/malware/hijackers, etc.. That's not Dell's fault. Now, if you want to
talk HP, I would never recommend that company for PCs(System Recovery CD problems abound,
and that's just the tip of the iceberg). HP PCs are to this decade are what Packard Bell
systems were to the 1990's. I am not saying that Dell is the best PC one can purchase.
But, for the price, when there are online specials, with rebates and freebies, Dell is an
economical solution for a loaded system with a decent warranty. Remember Dell probably
sells more PCs than any other company, and you are only seeing the posts from people who
have problems. The full stats would probably reflect that Dell systems are probably more
dependable than most others in the same price range. And, Dell includes, even with its
low end systems, a REAL Windows XP CD (albeit OEM), rather than System Recovery CDs. It's
a good practice not to take everything you read in forums and news groups as fact. In
this group alone there have been incalculable "Windows XP sucks" posts. Many of those
posts were written by people who caused their own problems and are looking for someone to
blame, or by computer illiterate people who tried to fix problems themselves and trashed
their systems, or by people using incompatible software/hardware Windows XP is not
perfect, but it sure is more stable, and more easily repairable than previous versions of
Windows. Short answer: Dell and Windows XP are not "lethal combination."
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"iempire" <david1983@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are more flaws
then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else either if you have
a dell and windows os running or not seem to see the same pattern?
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"=?Utf-8?B?aWVtcGlyZQ==?=" <david1983@verizon.net> writes:
| Quote: | I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are
more flaws then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else
either if you have a dell and windows os running or not seem to see
the same pattern?
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As an experiment I put a new Dell 2400/XP Home on a user's desk.
The mantra I keep reciting to all of them is:
IIW..DFWI! (If It Works Don't F&#k With It!)
That means downloading and installing all sorts of new great stuff,
new applications, adding goo-gaws, changing ANYTHING, IIW...DFWI!
She has the absolute minimum number of things installed to be able
to get work done. I consider it only unfortunate that it wasn't
possible to have Dell NOT install all the "free extra" software.
But am I going to UnInstall it? DFWI!
Been 16 months with no failures, stuns me. So, DFWI!
I was told that one application that is essential to get work done
wasn't compatible with SP2, even six months after SP2 was released.
Finally they forced an update on us, not a word about whether this
fixed SP2 compatibility problems or not, and they aren't talking.
Am I going to throw SP2 at this now and hope? Tough choice. IIWDFWI.
Maybe the firewall and anti virus software will be good enough for
a while.
The stupidest thing I've read in a while was in the national
newspapers this morning, apparently Microsoft thinks that their
real problem is people believe that XP is good enough, so good
that there aren't millions of people begging to go through the
upgrade process to the next new version of Windows.
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iempire wrote:
| Quote: | Have you , yourself gone to dells forum , if you do a search on
postive forum post and negative you'll see that there are more
negative, and yet again, I think some people are just taking this to
much to heart
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People have no need to post positive posts in a support forum. You
cannot deduce anything by comparing positive and negative posts!
Can you deduce that most of the people in the world are sick, just
because of the nearly everyone that goes to see the doctor are sick?
Your thinking is totally illogical.
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Have you , yourself gone to dells forum , if you do a search on postive forum
post and negative you'll see that there are more negative, and yet again, I
think some people are just taking this to much to heart
"kurttrail" wrote:
| Quote: | iempire wrote:
I've noticed from browsing threw both the microsofts forum and dell
computer's forum, and also from personal experience that there are
more flaws then there are blades of grass on earth. Does anyone else
either if you have a dell and windows os running or not seem to see
the same pattern?
Dell just sells more computers, so they are bound to have more problems.
And of course you are looking at places where people are posting their
problems. These support forums are really the place for all the people
that haven't any problems to post that they haven't had any problems.
Are hospitals and people a lethal combination? It just seems that so
many people die at hospitals!
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iempire wrote:
| Quote: | I said I noticed the pattern between windows os's on dell computers
having alot of flaws, and no I havent looked into every other
computer manuf.'s forums that'd be a big waste of time, I was simply
stating a broad statment and I guess you over looked the simplicity
of the statement.
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And you overlooked the fact that your broad statement is just full of
sh*t! And you are just simple-minded, as evidenced by your moron logic
of drawing conclusions from only reading people that are having
problems.
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hey if you want to go threw the whole forums and hey buddy go right ahead, I
was there for a reason, I was trying to see if dell was really number 1 in
customer support, so far I was routed to about a dozen different tech support
people for the same problem. as if they dont read the reports. and as far as
I'm concerned my opinion is just as valid as yours and everyone else on
here...
"kurttrail" wrote:
| Quote: | iempire wrote:
I said I noticed the pattern between windows os's on dell computers
having alot of flaws, and no I havent looked into every other
computer manuf.'s forums that'd be a big waste of time, I was simply
stating a broad statment and I guess you over looked the simplicity
of the statement.
And you overlooked the fact that your broad statement is just full of
sh*t! And you are just simple-minded, as evidenced by your moron logic
of drawing conclusions from only reading people that are having
problems.
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iempire wrote:
| Quote: | hey if you want to go threw the whole forums and hey buddy go right
ahead, I was there for a reason, I was trying to see if dell was
really number 1 in customer support, so far I was routed to about a
dozen different tech support people for the same problem. as if they
dont read the reports. and as far as I'm concerned my opinion is just
as valid as yours and everyone else on here...
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No it's not. I understand that these support forums are totally slanted
towards that are having problems, and you cannot deduce anything without
being able to see all the people that aren't having problems.
And now you are switching the subject of your irrational deductions, to
that of whether Dell support is #1. Again, there is no way you could
figure that out by only reading this and Dell forums, you would need to
compare these with the forums of other OEMs which you admit you haven't
done.
So you opinion is based on your biased and irrational assumptions, my
opinion is based that you are full of sh*t, is based on your
demonstrated irrationality!
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